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the nation's top nsa officials went before congress today. without copping to specifics, director of national intelligence said in so many words yeah of course we spy on our allies. they spy on us. it's been going on for decades. is it naive to expect less? is this what countries do to each other? >> i think on some level you should expect that, right? how you're supposed to take your allies' words they're always going to be allies? that's just natural. the big issue it's a p.r. disaster on top of the p.r. disaster. now an international p.r. disaster? it's coming precisely at the wrong time for the administration. but i think it's a normal thing. >> i don't think it's just a p.r. disaster, charles. i think it's this nsa system set up under bush and cheney which obama has refused to stare down. i think it's a juggernaut that's out of control. hoovering up so much information, untram meld powers and taken this kind of surveillance to a whole new comprehensive level that picks up all the stuff. >> the fundamental principle has not changed if you
the nation's top nsa officials went before congress today. without copping to specifics, director of national intelligence said in so many words yeah of course we spy on our allies. they spy on us. it's been going on for decades. is it naive to expect less? is this what countries do to each other? >> i think on some level you should expect that, right? how you're supposed to take your allies' words they're always going to be allies? that's just natural. the big issue it's a p.r. disaster...
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to nsa partners. to be perfectly clear, this is not information we collect it on european citizens. it represents information that collected nato allies in defense of our countries and in support of military operations. i understand you correctly, this information was collected external to the country of which it was reported in defense of operations in which nato participates. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> as you study the networks of aboutrld -- let's talk the european union for a second, if i may. is it possible for chinese intelligence services to use networks you would find in any nation in the european union? >> absolutely. >> how about russian intelligence services? networksy use european inside the european union? >> yes. >> how about al qaeda? could they use networks found in the european union to plan execution of operations? >> they could absolutely. it be in the purview of the national security agency to try to prevent those activities if it was targeted at the united states or o
to nsa partners. to be perfectly clear, this is not information we collect it on european citizens. it represents information that collected nato allies in defense of our countries and in support of military operations. i understand you correctly, this information was collected external to the country of which it was reported in defense of operations in which nato participates. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> as you study the networks of aboutrld -- let's talk the european...
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>> well, let me say something about the nsa. i believe the nsa is filled with good patriotic people who want to do the right thing. they follow the orders they're given. the administration controls intelligence. the national intelligence framework is put together by the administration. it begins with the director of national intelligence, it goes to the white house, it's the president, it's the nsc the cabinet and then the framework is formed. now, what happens is, people add to it, state wants this, department of state wants to know this. or somebody else wants to know that. priorities are ranked. as i understand it these are the priorities. one, terrorism. two, support of our military abroad. three, nuclear counter proliferation. four, hard targets. and now cyber. and those are the main areas. so essentially the nsa is told to do certain things and it does it. what i think we need to do, we work very well with the house committee and leadership, mike rogers and congressman rupersberger is review of the intelligence framework o
>> well, let me say something about the nsa. i believe the nsa is filled with good patriotic people who want to do the right thing. they follow the orders they're given. the administration controls intelligence. the national intelligence framework is put together by the administration. it begins with the director of national intelligence, it goes to the white house, it's the president, it's the nsc the cabinet and then the framework is formed. now, what happens is, people add to it, state...
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one key fact we need to keep in mind is that nsa's focus is on foreign threats under fisa nsa does not target target americans in the u.s. and does not target americans anywhere else without a court order. they are to fisa authorities that have been highlighted in the the press prefers the business records provision known as section 215 which allows the government to legally correct what is called metadata a phone number and length of call, not content. no names, no commerce asians, no content. let me be clear. under 215 the nsa cannot listen to anyone's phonecalls. what section 215 does is allow the government to connect the dots. these dots could have been connected to prevent 9/11 and are necessary to prevent the next attack. we could have determined one of the 9/11 attackers for hijackers was in san diego and made a call to an al qaeda number in yemen. i shudder to think what connections will be missed if the program were completely eliminated. keep in mind law enforcement obtains and analyzes these types of records every day to stop organized crime and keep drugs out. we don't wan
one key fact we need to keep in mind is that nsa's focus is on foreign threats under fisa nsa does not target target americans in the u.s. and does not target americans anywhere else without a court order. they are to fisa authorities that have been highlighted in the the press prefers the business records provision known as section 215 which allows the government to legally correct what is called metadata a phone number and length of call, not content. no names, no commerce asians, no content....
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this is what was violated by nsa activities. washington was playing by the laws of the jungle but inside europe's post-modern system. partly this is because the distinction is not easy to maintain. what if you look for terrorists within europe. that is people who still play by the laws of the jungle or even worse. america as a global power is operating all over the world trying to tackle some of the nastiest threats out there. perhaps it doesn't have the luxury to retreat to a garden and renounce nasty tactics. if it did, it's not likely that china, russia, al qaeda would follow suit. precisely because washington has to get its hands dirty, it should be smart about this. you don't stop terrorists in europe by listening in on angela merkel's cell phone. the rewards of spying on friendly heads of government are probably outweighed by the risks. and most troubling, it's not clear that many of these specific activities were clearly thought through and directed by the white house. nor do they appear to have been vetted by congress. i
this is what was violated by nsa activities. washington was playing by the laws of the jungle but inside europe's post-modern system. partly this is because the distinction is not easy to maintain. what if you look for terrorists within europe. that is people who still play by the laws of the jungle or even worse. america as a global power is operating all over the world trying to tackle some of the nastiest threats out there. perhaps it doesn't have the luxury to retreat to a garden and...
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if you just take the 300 compliance officers of nsa alone, let alone the rest of the apparatus of nsa that is devoted to oversight, my staff, dod's staff, the department of justice, the fisa court, the civil liberties and privacy officers, igs, and the amount of time they spend, it is very costly program in terms of both manpower and dollars. i just don't have a figure. >> one last comment, reflection, is there anything either one of you can think of within your authority to do to address civil liberties and privacy issues that you're not doing? >> from my perspective, no. one of the things, and i was just going to have chris add one element if i could on here to your question. >> we'd actually just described a note to ourselves, but at nsa, the annual dollars we spend on this, the 30 million, and we have 300 full-time e qif lance, but what i scribed on the note is it's everybody's job. everyone has a role to play in compliance. we bring our employees in on their first day whether military or civilian, we give them all the oath of office, tell them it's to the constitution, the whole
if you just take the 300 compliance officers of nsa alone, let alone the rest of the apparatus of nsa that is devoted to oversight, my staff, dod's staff, the department of justice, the fisa court, the civil liberties and privacy officers, igs, and the amount of time they spend, it is very costly program in terms of both manpower and dollars. i just don't have a figure. >> one last comment, reflection, is there anything either one of you can think of within your authority to do to address...
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i want to also ask you about the nsa and the concerns about the nsa becoming a rogue agency. reports today from "the washington post" denied by keith alexander just now, apparently, that the nsa, that our spies are actually unknowingly going into google and yahoo! centers and retrieving data. where does it end? >> well, i have grave concerns about this, andrea. there was a report that i saw that the taps of the phone may have even tapped the pope's phone. we've got to get to the bottom of this. i'll tell you, i have a suspicion about one of the things that's at the root of this. and it is the fact that the authorization for the use of military force passed one week after 9/11 is so broad and open-ended. as you know, the language in that authorization authorized the president to take action against those who committed the 9/11 attacks or their affiliates. that language, or their affiliates, without any limitation in time or geography, has led to a whole series of programs that i think are too open ended. one of the things that i want to explore as we look at correcting these s
i want to also ask you about the nsa and the concerns about the nsa becoming a rogue agency. reports today from "the washington post" denied by keith alexander just now, apparently, that the nsa, that our spies are actually unknowingly going into google and yahoo! centers and retrieving data. where does it end? >> well, i have grave concerns about this, andrea. there was a report that i saw that the taps of the phone may have even tapped the pope's phone. we've got to get to the...
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have they done an independent audit on what the nsa agency was looking into? no, not so far, and they should. >> so do you think -- what about snowden's leaks, bob, do you think he has been working with foreign governments, or is that allegation, to your view at this point, also not clear? >> well, erin, the promise -- i spent so many years up against the russians. and in that world, when someone goes to moscow, they're presumed guilty. not the other way around. presumed innocent. so you know, i always look at it from a counterintelligence perspective. and i wish he had not gone to moscow, i wish he would have made his protests on the floor of the courthouse, there is no evidence he is a deflector, but i can assure you that the fbi and the cia are looking at that possibility, but again, there is no evidence. >> all right, appreciate your viewpoint, thanks so much to bob and ray. >>> and up next, what would a real iron man suit look like? we'll show you the u.s. military is about to launch that very thing. my customers can shop around-- see who does good work a
have they done an independent audit on what the nsa agency was looking into? no, not so far, and they should. >> so do you think -- what about snowden's leaks, bob, do you think he has been working with foreign governments, or is that allegation, to your view at this point, also not clear? >> well, erin, the promise -- i spent so many years up against the russians. and in that world, when someone goes to moscow, they're presumed guilty. not the other way around. presumed innocent....
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the nsa went on record to say that the president did not know about it. it makes me feel worse actually. the president has been forced to apologize not only to merkel but france's president and brazil's president. the eu is threatening to cancel pending trade talks. thanks, edward snowden, we appreciate it. let's spin. there's a lot of directions to go. one of the dynamic that's really interesting, to consider president obama's position here, i think we've all been trying to figure out where exactly he stands. he's been hawkish in some ways and continued a lot of these programs but he also seems sort of ret sent, saying they suspended the spying operations, they didn't know about it. peter king said something interesting over the weekend that sort of speaks to that. >> the president should stop apologizing and being defensive. the realty is the nsa has saved thousands of lives not just in united states but in france and germany and throughout europe. quite frankly they have done so much for our country and help this president in his term, he should be --
the nsa went on record to say that the president did not know about it. it makes me feel worse actually. the president has been forced to apologize not only to merkel but france's president and brazil's president. the eu is threatening to cancel pending trade talks. thanks, edward snowden, we appreciate it. let's spin. there's a lot of directions to go. one of the dynamic that's really interesting, to consider president obama's position here, i think we've all been trying to figure out where...
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in fact, your aument that basically from the website to nsa, he's like, i don't know what's going on. >> that doesn't wear on the american people longer term. doesn't provide a lot of confidence. >> we're still stuck on this idea he didn't know what the nsa was doing. but we know better. we have intelligence officials who are saying not only did he know, but he approved this sort of stuff. >> i just want to clarify that my point is a different one. we have ratings agencies also saying that the american economy is undermined by the dysfunction in washington. i'm not calling on the president to be a better leader. i think that is a silly and simplistic notion. i am pointing out the fact that you have a group in congress that have decided they don't care if they hold the country hostage, they don't care if they hold the economy hostage, they don't care if they blow up their own party, they will do whatever they can to undermine the president. >> you also have -- guys, you also have -- >> you're absolutely right that the right has decided whoever is president, whoever is democratic presid
in fact, your aument that basically from the website to nsa, he's like, i don't know what's going on. >> that doesn't wear on the american people longer term. doesn't provide a lot of confidence. >> we're still stuck on this idea he didn't know what the nsa was doing. but we know better. we have intelligence officials who are saying not only did he know, but he approved this sort of stuff. >> i just want to clarify that my point is a different one. we have ratings agencies...
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we begin with the latest in the nsa controversy. ambassador to spain, james costas it was called after reports of 60 medical spanish phone calls. >> the european union met behind closed doors. german parliamentians would like to know why they tapped chancellor angela merkel's phone calls. >> we are not considering our chancellor as a terrorist. therefore, i would say they have to think about or to reconsiderk . . . lz >> >> ? >> >>> welcome to al jazeera america. i'm stephanie here are the top stories. a bipartisan group of lawmakers plans to introduce a bill that could strip the nsa of om of its powers. if passed it ends the agency's ability to bulk collect phone records and restrict who it can spy on. >> fighting in syria blocked u.n. inspectors from access to two chemical weapons facilities, a setback in an attempt to rid syria of chemical weapons. inspectors did not say whether the syrian rebels or the government was responsible for the delay. negotiations for access are under way. >>> abortion right supporters in texas are cele
we begin with the latest in the nsa controversy. ambassador to spain, james costas it was called after reports of 60 medical spanish phone calls. >> the european union met behind closed doors. german parliamentians would like to know why they tapped chancellor angela merkel's phone calls. >> we are not considering our chancellor as a terrorist. therefore, i would say they have to think about or to reconsiderk . . . lz >> >> ? >> >>> welcome to al jazeera...
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we begin with the latest in the nsa controversy. ambassador to spain, james costas it was called after reports of 60 medical spanish phone calls. >> the european union met behind closed doors. german parliamentians would like to know why they tapped chancellor angela merkel's phone calls. >> we are not considering our chancellor as a terrorist. therefore, i would say they have to think about or to reconsider what they really are interested. >> many americans fear their privacy may have been come promised. >> i am outraged like most people here, you know, at the mass surveillance that's going on. and people just don't seem to be upset about it. it's blatantly unconstitutional. >> we need to tell congress they need to act. we need to demand it. >> the crowd heard jess lin radack from the governmentt. it included this pointed message. >> we are here to remind our government officials that they are public servants, not private investigators. >> for more, i am joined from washington, d.c. by jesselyn y radack from the government accounta
we begin with the latest in the nsa controversy. ambassador to spain, james costas it was called after reports of 60 medical spanish phone calls. >> the european union met behind closed doors. german parliamentians would like to know why they tapped chancellor angela merkel's phone calls. >> we are not considering our chancellor as a terrorist. therefore, i would say they have to think about or to reconsider what they really are interested. >> many americans fear their privacy...
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there is no content collected by the nsa. there are bits of data: location, telephone numbers that can be queried when there is reasonable, articulable suspicion. i so regret what is happening. i will do everything i can to prevent this program from being cancelled out. senator, i don't have any questions. >> it is ironic that not only is diane feinstein, who's a democrat, one of the most devoted apologists of the nsa, the position that she occupies in the senate, which is chair of the senate intelligence committee is the position that is supposed to be devoted to overseeing the intelligence community, serving as a watchdog over it, and yet they've managed to put and install into that position, one of the most slavish devotees and loyalist of all of their powers. >> the people who are the ones who are supposed to be watching the intelligence agencies are the ones who end up being their biggest supporters and to some extent, the ones who try to rationalize every form of misconduct that ever gets displayed to us. >> as more and
there is no content collected by the nsa. there are bits of data: location, telephone numbers that can be queried when there is reasonable, articulable suspicion. i so regret what is happening. i will do everything i can to prevent this program from being cancelled out. senator, i don't have any questions. >> it is ironic that not only is diane feinstein, who's a democrat, one of the most devoted apologists of the nsa, the position that she occupies in the senate, which is chair of the...
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the nsa chief issued a partial denial. >> this is not nsa breaking into any databases. it would be illegal for us to do that. >> reporter: a written statement from nsa to cnn, the assertion that we collect vast quantities of u.s. persons data from this type of collection is not true. but the nsa did not deny it access links between the service or reaction from google and yeah yahoo! was swift and angry. we have long been concerned about the possibility which is why we continue to extend encryption against more and more services and links. yahoo! said we have not given access to the nsa nor any other government agency. two european delegations upset at nsa surveillance in their countries met face-to-face with the white house and nsa chief who told them all nsa intel gathering in europe is done in collaboration with european intel agencies. so, i ask them, does that make the europeans hypocritical for criticizing the u.s.? >> if we want to get to the truth of why there was mass surveillance a set of allegations that talks about mass surveillance of our citizens. >> by ame
the nsa chief issued a partial denial. >> this is not nsa breaking into any databases. it would be illegal for us to do that. >> reporter: a written statement from nsa to cnn, the assertion that we collect vast quantities of u.s. persons data from this type of collection is not true. but the nsa did not deny it access links between the service or reaction from google and yeah yahoo! was swift and angry. we have long been concerned about the possibility which is why we continue to...
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on the sort of communications americans' communications that the nsa would need to be individualized order court order or warrant to look at under ordinary circumstances another sign of the ever growing region the national security agency is the brand and you talk to the center but it's caught the eye of a crowd of persisting protesters were taken over part of the local highway to demonstrate their outrage at surveillance practices the geezer in a fortnight has more noted for its desert wine. painted picture esque melodies. utah has long been home to the nation's largest population of more weeks to date. it's also home to america's soon to be the guests by complex occurred inside the middle of an army base. so you can get to like the protests in the army to protest the nsa garfield learns his lesson on independence day. when police could get a bit more than a hundred restore the fourth activist from protesting in front of the anc's one point five billion dollars data center shortly thereafter the group life away to claim a two mile long state right next to the nsa to confront any tic
on the sort of communications americans' communications that the nsa would need to be individualized order court order or warrant to look at under ordinary circumstances another sign of the ever growing region the national security agency is the brand and you talk to the center but it's caught the eye of a crowd of persisting protesters were taken over part of the local highway to demonstrate their outrage at surveillance practices the geezer in a fortnight has more noted for its desert wine....
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, which the court has given the nsa the authority to scoop up all of our phone metadata that the nsa -- that the romance have been revealed -- that the programs have been revealed by edward snowden. it could put the country at risk and leave the u.s. open to another terrorist attack. they were not open to that reform in particular. but the other reforms come out some of them, they were open to. >> -- but the other reforms, some of them, they were open to. there is a pretty good likelihood. a lot of these individual reforms are incorporated into broader nsa reform bills that have been introduced. when it comes to the chances of these bills passing, there is bipartisan support, which is something is unusual around congress. bipartisan support can move these. this is something the jan schakowsky said today at the hearing. >> the two individuals who wrote , one republican, one democrat -- yes, one republican, one democrat -- who wrote the usa patriot act shortly after 9/11 have now introduced the usa freedom act that essentially would repeal many of the aspects and change them, of the pa
, which the court has given the nsa the authority to scoop up all of our phone metadata that the nsa -- that the romance have been revealed -- that the programs have been revealed by edward snowden. it could put the country at risk and leave the u.s. open to another terrorist attack. they were not open to that reform in particular. but the other reforms come out some of them, they were open to. >> -- but the other reforms, some of them, they were open to. there is a pretty good...
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the nsa scandal, is there anyone out there we are not spying on? wreck>> we only work within the. >> after these cuts the average anefit per person will be dollar and $.40 per meal. >> this is for you, boston. [applause] president obama said it over again. if you like your insurance plan you could keep it. the health care act will not change that. millions of americans who are buying limited coverage are receiving letters after all. the president's response. >> if you're getting one of these letters shop around in the new marketplace. you will get a better deal. >> a lot requires that health insurance not cover hospital, maternity, mental health, and prescription drugs. >> if insurers decided is a lawgrade we said under the you have to replace them with quality, conference of coverage. to thenot tell that american people to begin with? wrecks that is a good question. of good questions. i do not think there is an answer. it obviously was not true. that is it. why put yourself behind the all like this? wrecks it was a campaign and a good slogan for t
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washington guy, the nsa story. it's one of those things that you hear lawmakers will say, you know what, the public actually doesn't want to know a lot of this information. do you buy that? >> no. i think the public does want to know. >> what do they want to know? >> whether we're spying on our friends. you don't do that to friends. >> no justification of it? >> look, there are a lot of reasons that people might think that it's a good idea, but if you're going to have a relationship with a friend, you don't spy on your friends. you're going to also want to know did the president know about this, are they telling the truth. i think those are the things that people want to know. >> the objections we're hearing from capitol hill, i'm not sure it is them trying to respond to the media attention. we're shocked that this happened, made it look like they would not condone something like this and at the same time, they're privately going we understand that sources are -- >> well, you have to remember that congress tends to
washington guy, the nsa story. it's one of those things that you hear lawmakers will say, you know what, the public actually doesn't want to know a lot of this information. do you buy that? >> no. i think the public does want to know. >> what do they want to know? >> whether we're spying on our friends. you don't do that to friends. >> no justification of it? >> look, there are a lot of reasons that people might think that it's a good idea, but if you're going to...
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if the nsa can figure out something, that's one thing, and i think we could understand that the nsa whether it's doing the right thing or the wrong thing at heart has our best interests in mind whether they're doing it directly or not. if the nsa can do it in 2013, almost 2014, could the chinese do it in two years and could the north koreans do it in ten? in other words, if something is flawed from the beginning and only the nsa can peek into it, that's still a problem. >> it is potentially a problem. in fact, we pointed this out back in the mid '70s with the data encryption standard. there it had 100,000 million million keys which sounds like a lot, but i and my colleague figured out that you could search that in about a day on a computer built -- >> you met with the nsa at stanford university and say, hey, fellows, this is not enough. >> well, not initially. initial biwe wely we were deali the national bureau of standards, now the national institute of standards and technology and we just thought it was a mistake at first. but over six months as i wrote letters and got back bs replies, it
if the nsa can figure out something, that's one thing, and i think we could understand that the nsa whether it's doing the right thing or the wrong thing at heart has our best interests in mind whether they're doing it directly or not. if the nsa can do it in 2013, almost 2014, could the chinese do it in two years and could the north koreans do it in ten? in other words, if something is flawed from the beginning and only the nsa can peek into it, that's still a problem. >> it is...
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the nsa? >> i suppose again what it does with me and why it makes me very nervous is because i think that we are fragile in so many other ways now. and that we are not standing on the sure footing that the united states has gotten used to. and yet we convince ourselves that we are. and at the same time we are losing friends at a quick pace. so yes, i think we're in a pretty precarious situation now. >> and every time the government shutdown story reemerged on a daily basis, i think i wonder what sean penn thinks of washington coming to a halt, a well-paid halt for the politicians and not for the american people. we'll get the reaction after the break. and also, your reaction to julia roberts, and working with julia roberts, i wish i could do that. see i, i finally got you to smile. i knew i could do that. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and
the nsa? >> i suppose again what it does with me and why it makes me very nervous is because i think that we are fragile in so many other ways now. and that we are not standing on the sure footing that the united states has gotten used to. and yet we convince ourselves that we are. and at the same time we are losing friends at a quick pace. so yes, i think we're in a pretty precarious situation now. >> and every time the government shutdown story reemerged on a daily basis, i think...
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magazine claims the nsa targeted the vatican are not true. look at the statements, that's a carefully worded statement. the question is, did the nsa target some specific individual in the vatican like the pope which this magazine claimed or did some other agency was looking at this type of thing? it's a carefully worded statement. that does not say that the u.s. is not spying on the vatican. so i think this is part of the problem that the administration is having, getting in front, pro actively trying to quash the story, manage it, when you have leaks every day, something different. they need a better strategy to kind of get in front of this, i think, be more transparent because these leaks are coming. >> hard to protect the system of intelligence gathering when that's happening, the drip, drip. >> good to see you in person. >> come down more. >> come back. >> i will. >> imagine what they're saying on the phone with the pope? i'd like to be in on those calls. >> i don't know i'd want to know. >> edward snowden, former government contractor wh
magazine claims the nsa targeted the vatican are not true. look at the statements, that's a carefully worded statement. the question is, did the nsa target some specific individual in the vatican like the pope which this magazine claimed or did some other agency was looking at this type of thing? it's a carefully worded statement. that does not say that the u.s. is not spying on the vatican. so i think this is part of the problem that the administration is having, getting in front, pro actively...
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and italian magazine called panorama reports the nsa may have spied on the pope. and some cardinals. sources at the magazine have been told the nsa eavesdropped on vatican phone calls before the conclave, that top secret meeting of cardinals. >> #01: folks. i am a devout catholic but i believe the nsa must spy on the vatican, they are tapping the direct line to god. and as i have pointed out, this guy has got a beard, spent a lot of time in the middle east and i keep hearing he has got some "plan" that for some reason always involves your grandpa dying. but sadly, sadly, there are misguided critics out there who value something more than total operational and situational awareness. let's go down. >> utterly out of control. >> there has to be a balance between privacy and security. >> the united states has simply got the balance wrong. too much invasion of privacy in the pursuit of security. >> #01:. >> come on what is the big deal about a government invasion of privacy, at this point we have invaded everywhere else. thankfully, there is a way to keep the nsa spyin
and italian magazine called panorama reports the nsa may have spied on the pope. and some cardinals. sources at the magazine have been told the nsa eavesdropped on vatican phone calls before the conclave, that top secret meeting of cardinals. >> #01: folks. i am a devout catholic but i believe the nsa must spy on the vatican, they are tapping the direct line to god. and as i have pointed out, this guy has got a beard, spent a lot of time in the middle east and i keep hearing he has got...
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all bought art in germany wants edward snow to members of the german government of trying to get the nsa whistleblower to testify. an investigation against us spying activities from this new development ahead. on capitol hill a group of senators claim they are pushing legislation to deal with concerns over nsa surveillance. but critics say their efforts fall short. you can actually make things worse. putting more coming up and in chicago the us is biggest jail is also its biggest mental health facility. over thirty the prison's inmates have mental illness. how did this happen. read more on that later the show a new. it's friday november first five mins in washington dc and sam sexton you're watching our two. then we begin with breaking news out of los angeles international airport for around nine thirty this morning a gunman walked in the terminal three at the airport pulled out his soul rifle and opened fire and continued firing his gun through the security screening screening era area making it fairly far into the airport before he came under fire from long portion officials and was ta
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for fear of being prosecuted. >> the nsa's goal really is the elimination of privacy globally. it is literally a system designed to monitor all forms of human behavior inside the united states, which is the ultimate surveillance state. >> last december, glenn greenwald received an email from a person who didn't identify himself. >> we still didn't know who he was, where he worked, but he was saying he had access to large amounts of very sensitive surveillance information that show the united states government was violating the law and abusing it's power. >> suddenly in my lap had dropped some of the most potent instruments for shining a light on what it is that they are doing, beyond your wildest dreams as a journalist. i had literally, physically couldn't breathe at points because of excitement and shock. >> the source was edward snowden. >> the nsa specifically targets the communications of everyone. it ingests them by default. it collects them in it's system and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them. >> up to that point, the director of
for fear of being prosecuted. >> the nsa's goal really is the elimination of privacy globally. it is literally a system designed to monitor all forms of human behavior inside the united states, which is the ultimate surveillance state. >> last december, glenn greenwald received an email from a person who didn't identify himself. >> we still didn't know who he was, where he worked, but he was saying he had access to large amounts of very sensitive surveillance information that...
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but in fact, the nsa collected no information in europe. they say that any information, i in of this meta data, that's with a it was. not phone call or conten was done by european services, not by the nsa. that it was not in fact the citizens of those countries, france and spain, but collected from a number of sources by the u.s. and nato allies in support of military operations abroad. here's how they made that case at the hearings today. >> the assertions by spain, italy, that nsa collected ten of million of phone call are completely false. to be perfectly clear, this is not information that we collected on european citizens. it represents information that we and our nato allies have collected in defense of our countries and in support of military operations. >> so in effect, they're saying that one of the strongest reasons for this anger we've been seeing from europe started with nothing. the misinterpretation, erin, of a single power point slide. >> wow, we shall see. that was the tip of the iceberg. thanks so much to you. >> republican
but in fact, the nsa collected no information in europe. they say that any information, i in of this meta data, that's with a it was. not phone call or conten was done by european services, not by the nsa. that it was not in fact the citizens of those countries, france and spain, but collected from a number of sources by the u.s. and nato allies in support of military operations abroad. here's how they made that case at the hearings today. >> the assertions by spain, italy, that nsa...
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nsa contractor edward snowdon. now, bills are in the works in the house and senate that would rein in the spy masters. tonight on inside story we'll take a closer look at the nsa since 9/11, including its mission, it's practices, and it's future. but first this background. >> director keith alexander. >> reporter: demand for intelligence gathering reform are growing on capitol hill over the wake of revelations of massive information gathering. there has been crafted buy partisan legislation to end the collection of puck phone records and the government only focus on foreigners who pose threats. 12 years later the continuing disclosures of nsa surveillance has pushed them to try to rein in the broad sweep of intelligence gathering. appearing on pbs last night. >> there has to be a balance between privacy and security. the nsa and their supporters in the congress have said let's forget about privacy. let's forget about civil liberties. i can't do that. what has made america a different country is our court reports fo
nsa contractor edward snowdon. now, bills are in the works in the house and senate that would rein in the spy masters. tonight on inside story we'll take a closer look at the nsa since 9/11, including its mission, it's practices, and it's future. but first this background. >> director keith alexander. >> reporter: demand for intelligence gathering reform are growing on capitol hill over the wake of revelations of massive information gathering. there has been crafted buy partisan...
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they were closely with the nsa that about one third of those documents are nsa documents. the guardian shared those 50,000 documents with us that "the new york times" and some of us have spent the last couple of months going through them. >> and talk about what most shock you by the documents you have gotten better from the national security agency. we have gone through some of the points. you begin with ban ki-moon last april. why don't you start there. >> i used to be with "the baltimoresun" and i wrote back in 1985 and can say i was not shocked about any of this, but i think perhaps one of the most interesting questions these documents raise is i refer to the agency as an omnivore. they're under pressure from policymakers, from the white house, see -- cia, dod to the state department to sort of the prepared to supply information on almost anything. inrisis breaks out tomorrow an unexpected place, and nsa is under heavy pressure to produce intelligence from that place. and that combined with a big- budget in secrecy has, i think, created what actually secretary of state
they were closely with the nsa that about one third of those documents are nsa documents. the guardian shared those 50,000 documents with us that "the new york times" and some of us have spent the last couple of months going through them. >> and talk about what most shock you by the documents you have gotten better from the national security agency. we have gone through some of the points. you begin with ban ki-moon last april. why don't you start there. >> i used to be...
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but could even the vatican be vulnerable to nsa eavesdropping? a report in italy's panorama magazine saying the nsa intercepted calls into and out of the residence where cardinals stayed before the recent papal conclave where pope francis was chosen. on the heels made by dared snowden that the nsa listened in on angela merkel cell phone calls and may have had access from dozens of other world leaders some say it doesn't matter. u.s. intelligence officials all but knit they do spy on america's allies. >> some of this reminds me a lot of the classic movie "casablan a "casablanca." >> my god, gamblizing going on here. some sort of thing. >> reporter: they say one of the way the nsa can reestablish trust. >> if it came forward and was more open and more transparent about what it does and why it does these things, including spying on our friends and allies, i think people may say that makes sense. >> reporter: the vatican responded to the panorama report saying we are not concerned. others say if anyone is listening in on the vatican, there could be g
but could even the vatican be vulnerable to nsa eavesdropping? a report in italy's panorama magazine saying the nsa intercepted calls into and out of the residence where cardinals stayed before the recent papal conclave where pope francis was chosen. on the heels made by dared snowden that the nsa listened in on angela merkel cell phone calls and may have had access from dozens of other world leaders some say it doesn't matter. u.s. intelligence officials all but knit they do spy on america's...
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about what nsa does with america's communication. and president obama has repeatedly mislead the public by claiming that the nsa does not invade the content of our communications when in fact without warrants the nsa is frequently monitoring the communication of american citizens. >> not everyone sees it this way. joining me now from los angeles, fox news contributor, rick grenell the former spokesman to the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. rick, thanks for joining us. i interviewed glen greenwald. the reason we brought him on cashing in which i'm going to air it tomorrow morning on the fox news channel. the reason why i brought him on is because president obama promised the nsa was not going to look into private emails of americans. this week the "the washington post" reports that that likely happened when the nsa infiltrated google and yahoo and allowed them to have access to email accounts. now, the question is, do you think that's right? is that fair? should he be looking at americans' emails? >> well, i think the policy is that they
about what nsa does with america's communication. and president obama has repeatedly mislead the public by claiming that the nsa does not invade the content of our communications when in fact without warrants the nsa is frequently monitoring the communication of american citizens. >> not everyone sees it this way. joining me now from los angeles, fox news contributor, rick grenell the former spokesman to the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. rick, thanks for joining us. i interviewed glen...
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everything that nsa does in term of query is auditable. we think it's an important protection we have in place and apply as well. >> thank you. >> thank you. concern was recently raised to me about the absence of the privacy officer of nsa. could you tell me me two things. how soon do you think you'll have one? what is the process for appointing one? what would the person's role be in programs like the one we're discussing? >> today we have a -- a decision was need put the position together in a role that would be a direct report to the director. this was announced over the summer. and proceeding with the hiring process. if i recall correctly. i think the request for rÉsume and interest closes in the first week of november. it's been publicly advertised. from that point forward we proceed expeditiously with a hiring process. one thing i would note not only are the functions we think important. today work closely with the chief civil liberty and privacy officer. i think the focused attention that such a person could bring at the nsa as pro
everything that nsa does in term of query is auditable. we think it's an important protection we have in place and apply as well. >> thank you. >> thank you. concern was recently raised to me about the absence of the privacy officer of nsa. could you tell me me two things. how soon do you think you'll have one? what is the process for appointing one? what would the person's role be in programs like the one we're discussing? >> today we have a -- a decision was need put the...
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the nsa scandal, is there anyone out there we are not spying on? >> we do not spy on anyone except for valid for chris's. -- purposes. we only work within the law. >> cutbacks of food stamps. >> after these cuts, the average benefit per person will be $1.40 per meal. >> if you are looking for good news, try boston. >> this is for you, boston. [applause] >> you guys deserve it. >> the greatest place on earth. >> president obama said it over and over. if you like your insurance plan you could keep it. the health care act will not change that. it turns out that millions of americans who are buying limited coverage are receiving letters after all. the president's response. >> if you're getting one of these letters, shop around in the new marketplace. you will get a better deal. >> the law requires that health insurance now covers hospital, maternity, mental health, and prescription drugs. >> if insurers decide it is a downgrade we said under the law you have to replace them with quality, comprehensive coverage. >> why not tell that to the american peop
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the nsa thing has been happening over a very long period of time. the website issues happen over a much shorter period of time when they were rolling it out, the government was shut down. the president was distracted by the idea of not letting the country going into default. come on, ross. but they are separate things but you are right you take your lumps. they do happen at the same time and people will make -- draw a straight line between the two even if i don't think they should. >> does it raise the broader question that the president is out of touch? >> that's what i was trying to get at. i don't get that sense but it's your underlings have to make sure that you understand things are happening and you're in the loop. that is a problem in these particular cases. there's no getting around that. it's an embarrassment. it happened at about the same time. people will make connections even if they are not logical connections to make. i don't necessarily think this is a president that is out of the loop. >> as i said, i agree with charles in a sense th
the nsa thing has been happening over a very long period of time. the website issues happen over a much shorter period of time when they were rolling it out, the government was shut down. the president was distracted by the idea of not letting the country going into default. come on, ross. but they are separate things but you are right you take your lumps. they do happen at the same time and people will make -- draw a straight line between the two even if i don't think they should. >>...
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and certainly they are left to deny and support the nsa themselves. they and clapper, the director of national intelligence, that is who is defending this major function that protects the united states and believe me, we would not have had no serious attack on the united states in all of these years, these 12 years since 9/11, without this agency doing just incredible work, lou, in protecting us. and yet they stand there having to take all these fuselage of assaults on them by themselves with the director trying to protect them. and it's just not right. the administration should put their arms around this, tell them to go back to work and we'll take care of this. but that's not happening. >> general, thanks for being with us. general jack keane. >> always good talking to you, lou. >>> up next, he was endorsed by tea party favorite senator rand pull, but will it be enough to overcome the political money machine? virginia's attorney general and gubernatorial candidate ken cuccinelli joins me here next. cuccinelli joins me here next. we're coming right b
and certainly they are left to deny and support the nsa themselves. they and clapper, the director of national intelligence, that is who is defending this major function that protects the united states and believe me, we would not have had no serious attack on the united states in all of these years, these 12 years since 9/11, without this agency doing just incredible work, lou, in protecting us. and yet they stand there having to take all these fuselage of assaults on them by themselves with...
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not for them, not for the nsa, not homeland security. i've roamed and rambled and i followed my footsteps this land was made for you and me remember what we love i've roamed and rambled and i followed my footsteps to the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts; and all around me a voice was sounding: this land was made for you and me. last chorus this land is your land when the this land is my land sun came from california shining, and i to the new york island from the redwood forest to the gulf stream waters this land was made for you and me ♪ thank you, round of applause to code pink and to all of you. take back our country. thank you. [cheers and applause] >> all right. the code pink background singers, something else right there. for all of my new honorary black people, i want to let you know about the secret, black folks get nervous when white folks talk about the good old days. let's be progressive. let's keep us together. i want to shout out to john, hope i am saying it right, am i saying that right, john kee ree ack oo? she orga
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>> this obviously is beyond nsa as well. that is unusual and extraordinary steps to take with respect to information that has been inquired. i started out as a prosecutor and there were all sorts of circumstances which information is up acquired that relates to persons that are not the subject of investigation. you can be overheard on the title three why your tap or fisa wiretap. there me be information on you. the general rule on the premise has been information that is lawfully acquired can be used by the government and a proper exercise of authority. we have rules that limit our ability to collect, maintain and disseminate information about persons. those rules as you know are fairly detailed but generally speaking we can't do that except for foreign intelligence purposes or when there is evidence of the crime and so on and so forth but what we can't do under section 702 is go out and use the collection authority to get information for the purpose of getting information about u.s. persons. once we have that information i
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we can't assume that everything will with the nsa as a comparable agency. there was an article in "the new york times" i guess on the 28th -- i won't quote from it or do you want to quote from it? >> this is an article by james ricin and laura at september 20. the agency can augment the come indications. >> that's the nsa. >> data with material from public commercial and other sources including bank codes insurance information facebook profiles passenger manifests voter registration rolls and gps location information as well as property records and unless testified tax data according to the documents. they do not indicate any restrictions on the use of such quote enrichment data in several former senior obama administration officials said the agency drew on it from both americans and foreigners. >> with that description we can assume that every bit of data out there, every purchase, every meal, every phonecall, every e-mail and because of the ability of supercomputers to digest this material is available. one would have to be extremely naÏve to think this
we can't assume that everything will with the nsa as a comparable agency. there was an article in "the new york times" i guess on the 28th -- i won't quote from it or do you want to quote from it? >> this is an article by james ricin and laura at september 20. the agency can augment the come indications. >> that's the nsa. >> data with material from public commercial and other sources including bank codes insurance information facebook profiles passenger manifests...
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explaining why the white house didn't know what exactly the nsa is doing i am. is there. oh and for all. that statement doesn't match up with the explanation given by the nsa chief though keith alexander said his agency was being told who to spy on by policymakers including us in the summer despite the ongoing surveillance scandal and what seems like a bridge between the u s intelligence and the state department. nothing will change. that's what the man who has been releasing these nsa leak said glenn greenwald told rt is roughly the allegiance brazil germany and france india. now stay the course of the united states is going to repeat itself. several weeks or months in almost every country around or all be very clear objective of the s a is not just collect all this but to keep it for as long as they are the big time party a few good citizens anywhere else. isn't it. edwards noted meanwhile explain why he gave out these and save documents in the first place. let's take a look at his manifesto of truth published injuries dash spiegel magazine. as the name implies that the
explaining why the white house didn't know what exactly the nsa is doing i am. is there. oh and for all. that statement doesn't match up with the explanation given by the nsa chief though keith alexander said his agency was being told who to spy on by policymakers including us in the summer despite the ongoing surveillance scandal and what seems like a bridge between the u s intelligence and the state department. nothing will change. that's what the man who has been releasing these nsa leak...
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nsa has advantages. but one of the points that mike rogers made in this hearing, and clapper and alexander, in effect, everyone's hands are dirty. they say, yes, we are the target of foreign intelligence operations but also say that we go after not only our allies but -- the leaders of our allies. used the term leadership intentions are both a reasonable and acceptable and valuable target for american intelligence operations. and -- than falling under that umbrella may the phone calls of america i will and others. >> chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. thanks. congressman adam schiff of california sits on the house intelligence committee and stepped out of today's meeting to speak to us live from capitol hill. thanks for joining us. quickly, james clapper was also asked if our allies are guilty of the same sort of thing. here is what he said. >> do you believe that the allies have conducted or at any time, any type of espionage activity against the united states of america, intelligence se
nsa has advantages. but one of the points that mike rogers made in this hearing, and clapper and alexander, in effect, everyone's hands are dirty. they say, yes, we are the target of foreign intelligence operations but also say that we go after not only our allies but -- the leaders of our allies. used the term leadership intentions are both a reasonable and acceptable and valuable target for american intelligence operations. and -- than falling under that umbrella may the phone calls of...